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coming to you live

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houston texas at the idea synthesis

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workshop

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at the lunar and planetary institute

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my name is jason kessler i am a co-lead

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for the partnership and participatory

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engagement

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session this morning

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i am the program executive of the

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asteroid grand challenge based in

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headquarters

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my partner in crime

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jen gastetic

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is the program exec

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for prizes and challenges

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and we're joined by joe gard as martyr

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moderator who's based here at the

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get things started it's good to be back

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we were here at the end of october and

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had a little hiatus

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uh and i i'm really grateful for

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everybody that was willing to

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travel back and join us in person we

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have a number of folks that will be

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doing so

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virtually as well

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and really look forward to a lively

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you can see up up front now is the

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agenda that we've got and the way we've

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got it organized

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there are three sections

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we'll start with mike o'hara from

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aerojet bonazz from goddard and charlie

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have a 10 minute break

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then we'll have david gustin margaret

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again 15 minutes of questions after

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again a break and then we want to open

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it up into a lively conversation the

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idea here really is to

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take these ideas and

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how we might be able to move forward

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in the planning for both the mission and

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i'd like to direct you to the hashtag

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asteroidpartners if you're following us

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online

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and

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join in with questions through that or

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through the ustream

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live chat

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to set the stage real quickly

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you've probably seen this slide it's uh

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the venn diagram of the asteroid

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initiative

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it's it's made up of both

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uh we were really excited when the rfi

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uh this section that we're speaking

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about today and that's the partnership

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and participatory engagement how can we

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in both the mission and the grand

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challenge figure out

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ways to bring in new fresh ideas and

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innovate on

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some concepts to help us do this better

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it's obvious that the overlap is in

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manipulation or engagement around uh an

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but excitingly there there's

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opportunities for partnership and

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engagement both in the mission

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whether it's the robotic piece or the

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crude mission aspects as well as the

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underpinnings of the grand challenge to

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enable us to do the work that we've

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already doing uh better and accelerate

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so a couple of desired outcomes to

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i think it's important that we get a

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shared understanding uh

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of of how this partnership effort can

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really benefit both the mission uh and

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ultimately again we're really wanting to

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have a rich dialogue and and i'm hoping

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that the structure that we've set for

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for this this session today is going to

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certainly open uh to changing the uh

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schedule around a bit so that we can get

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into the conversation that that's really

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the findings that that both the mission

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and that can then be pulled into the

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mission planning moving forward and as

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co-created implementation plan for the

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this really is our first step of of

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discussion to pull out the salient

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just to kind of set the tone i know it's

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the world maybe it's really late

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what we were talking about here

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i'm not going to read through all this

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but these were the questions that we

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what are going to be discussed today not

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every presenter focused on all the these

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uh bullets uh because that was not the

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requirements but this is what we sent

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oh thank you for having me here

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uh i am the director for civil space

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propulsion i work in washington dc and

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participatory engagement what does it

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mean to us at aerojet rocketdyne

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well it's really three categories in the

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way we see it it's broad and diverse

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engagement and doing business

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differently it's kind of timely for us

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at ways to do business cheaper more

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effectively and meet the cost the costs

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under the broad and diverse

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participation we see participation

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united nations this was a world issue

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potentially with asteroids and there is

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single mission does not result in real

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engagement opportunities we cannot

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afford one-off programs anymore

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community so we need to be able to do

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things and touch the community and bring

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them in and engage them and of course we

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beyond intended primary objectives so

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whatever we do we have to have a broader

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scope in mind get the most bang for the

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if you're a bed person a lot of the same

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theories the same objectives

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need to apply to what we're doing here

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and of course doing business differently

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offer incentives to participate in

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appropriate for each community prize ip

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minimize or reduce the barriers to

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participation and schedule costs you

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quicker it costs industry a lot of money

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of time and energy and from the agency

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perspective it would really help us if

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they could expedite things and not be so

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demanding but yet be reactive and

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proactive and move things along much

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quicker quicker it will reduce the

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emphasize applicability of technology

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development paths to multiple

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exploration goals and non-users so you

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spin-offs in my work there so the more

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bang for the buck that we can do with

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investments of existing available high

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has a reasonably high trl let's not go

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back to the drawing board you know let's

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use what we have let's take minimal

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resources to get it to the tro level

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that we need to move things forward but

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most importantly participatory

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how does aerojet rocketdyne approach

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participatory engagement well we look at

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how we can do things differently

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affordability of contained missions with

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multiple player involvement the more

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the more congressional uh you know

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advocacy we can get the more people who

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touch more you know people that are on

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the payroll you know it's a different

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expanding and bringing in as much

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expertise and people and things we can

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to help others do things broad scope of

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applicability so you know whatever we do

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applicable to multiple things it's all

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and we need to focus on the industrial

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return so you know i have board of

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directors you know we have stockholders

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as much as i love my job we all don't do

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it for free so we have to be able to

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sell what we do inside as much as

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outside

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we need to focus engagement on

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technology science and policy we

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definitely need to have a stem component

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component the entrepreneurial space

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folks the venture capitalist media

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outreach campaigns we need to do things

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differently than we have been doing

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and things we're doing will ultimately

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support going to mars so you know the

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objective is to get to mars and we can't

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do it cut right out of the box so we got

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to take step by step so whatever we do

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has to build to an objective and that

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objective for us the way we see is

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so what do we do once there is a program

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well we need to promote the

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affordability okay so right now this is

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the least expensive path to exploration

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beyond low earth orbit there's no lander

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required

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uh it tests several key technologies in

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a realistic environment that have

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applicability to a mars mission

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how do we use asteroids once it's in

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place well broad export exploitation is

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the key to reduce cost and to engage

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non-traditional entities entrepreneurs

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uh google prize for asteroids resource

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utilization

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engage universities cubesat missions to

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asteroids

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students suggestions and experiments and

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engage the scientific community it's

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going to be imperative that the science

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and human space guys work together for

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whatever we do and leverage each other

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from the most outcome

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and of course we need to keep this sold

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like any program you win we need to work

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to keep it sold in this environment

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and it this program asserts nasa as a

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leader in space exploration which we all

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want a defined mission will occur

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encourage infusion of young talent which

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we all need in this industry and

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encourage interest in science and

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engineering

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the technologies developed can be used

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for cargo transportation for human

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missions to mars

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and it's sls and orion logistics support

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you know it it gives the program

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something to do

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in the near term

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and keeps things moving

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and enables a mission cadence that will

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maintain public engagement with its

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approach is critical to the vision

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so for us because we're a propulsion

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company

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we've been working with the architecture

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specifically

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oh sorry okay

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sorry about that so we have in-space

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transportation

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efficient movement of assets and

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supplies and multiple customer

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applicability

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aerojet rocking sustainability space

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transportation approach for exploration

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as you can see it's cross-cutting what

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we want to do and our piece to this

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can apply to dod orbit raising robotic

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missions sls orion

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planetary defense satellite servicing

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repositioning of assets and situational

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awareness

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you can contact myself mike o'hara or

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joe cassidy be happy to answer any

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questions

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next up is bo naz from goddard

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okay well i'm going to tell you a little

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bit about some work that

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we've been doing at nasa goddard for the

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last few years

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on satellite servicing partnerships i'm

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not going to talk a lot about the

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satellite servicing activity because

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that's not why we're here

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but maybe try and make some parallels to

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what's going on here and what we've been

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trying to do with servicing and and tell

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you about

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the partnership approach that we've been

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working towards

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and then talk a little bit about you

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know just my perspective on on some of

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the partnership opportunities that might

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be available for this mission

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um so as i said i'm from the satellite

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servicing capabilities office we've been

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working since 2011 on a public-private

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partnership

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to do satellite servicing in

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geosynchronous orbit

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okay so um

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there's some parallels here there's some

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complete differences here

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we've talked a lot about how we need to

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do cots like things and bring

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private industry in to make nasa

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emissions cheaper and more

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sustainable

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satellite servicing is kind of a similar

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concept

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we know there's a strong commercial

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market existing for satellite servicing

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we know there's some technology

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development that still needs to happen

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our goal is to work with private

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industry

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to develop the final stages of that

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technology and go fly missions that are

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beneficial to both the government and

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the commercial partner

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so

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the

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that we've

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put together is one where there's a lot

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of skin in the game from both sides

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there's not a lot of government

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intervention in what happens on the

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private sector side

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and there's

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a guarantee that the private sector has

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rights to their

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intellectual property that they've

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developed in this partnership so i think

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those are important things

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this is definitely a mission-based

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partnership

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and

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unlike the the asteroid industry mining

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industry it's a very mature customer

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base there's a direct return on

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investment uh in the in the immediate

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future

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so so maybe there's not direct parallel

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we'll have to talk more about that

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so the

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the approach is a cooperative research

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and development agreement or creda

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combined with a standard far running in

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parallel

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work with the partner to develop the

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technologies necessary to complete the

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mission

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we do that

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mostly through the crata

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we have a we have a separate far that is

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enables us to do some bartering and and

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some exchange of money but but not a

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whole lot most of the work is done under

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the cooperative research agreement and

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it's kind of

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much more like a 50 50 split of the cost

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of going into this

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so what that does for the government is

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it enables us to fly missions cheaper on

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the government side but it also

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forces industry

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or enables industry depending on how you

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open new markets

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okay

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so i'm not going to talk a lot about

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krata if you um i encourage you to go

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look at it um

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it's an alternative to space act that we

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found more suitable um for this step for

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the for the servicing type of activity

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so

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areas where the government and industry

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can partner

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clearly there's a lot of work in solar

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arrays and electric propulsion and so

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here's the question does the government

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need to pay for the entire development

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does the government need to pay for the

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entire build cycle and test cycle is

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there some commercial interest in in uh

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entity

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who has something to gain financially by

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having a

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space flight proven system and selling

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it to

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maybe commercial industry or maybe the

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government is there investment that

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partner a partner could make

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that could help the government make this

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mission more affordable is there

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asteroid boulder capture mechanisms

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capture capture mechanisms i don't i

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don't know that that that there is

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are there mining tools i don't know that

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there are

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so

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but certainly these are the kind of

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things that a partner could

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invest in

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partner with the government and fly

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and

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potentially at very low cost to the

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government

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and while guaranteeing intellectual

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property rights for that partner through

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the creative

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um so the other idea obvious this one i

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think is the most obvious one um

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for the asteroid mining community and

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for the planetary defense community we

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we want a partner we need to partner on

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how we're collecting data or at least we

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could i'd like to see a partner on how

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we're collecting data and one option is

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a data buy there's another option which

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would be if if nasa does decide that we

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need to fly new space telescopes that

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instead of seeing nasa and private

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industry as competing to build a scout

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type mission we could actually work

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together pool resources do more for less

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those kinds of things

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so so so those are the kind of things

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that i think we could do using this

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approach

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uh so here's just one example of

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if we want to go find asteroids that are

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coming to earth in our and our low delta

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v return

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the place we need to look is not as

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they're flying by earth and not going to

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come back for another 100 years it'd be

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nice if we could go look where they are

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now which is slowly looping in uh these

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would be the the the few asteroids are

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the very many asteroids actually that

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are in very earth-like orbits

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with

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long synoptic periods

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and and therefore low delta-v to return

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to earth

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these are great candidates for arm

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they're awesome candidates for asteroid

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mining and that kind of activity

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so just just one example

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maybe uh maybe

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a partner provides a telescope

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and

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mission together

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just something to think about this is

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kind of the kind of partnership

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arrangement that you could do with this

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so

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in conclusion i think clearly

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public-private partnerships can yield

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significant benefits to both parties

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there's a great history of those things

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the geocom industry started that way

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with echo the cots as cox is a great

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example hopefully satellite servicing in

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the near future will be another example

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don't forget when you're looking at

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partnership opportunities it's not just

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spacex it's not just firebase contracts

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and grants and the traditional things

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but crait is an option too and so if

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anyone wants to

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talk to us about this approach

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come see me after i'll give you my

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contact information i'll put you in

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touch with the right people

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great so

577
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:42,789
next up we have charlie shafer

578
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:46,400
from space services holdings

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00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:57,510
thank you

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00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:59,039
morning everybody my name is charlie

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chaffer i'm the ceo of space services

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holdings

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i was delighted to see the

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topic of today's discussion because i

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believe we do have a mission that's

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ongoing

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that is a public-private partnership and

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is widely focused on participation so

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i'd like to talk to you a little bit

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about it i think it might be a model

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so

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this is really

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a dream come true for me and for

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00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,760
everybody back to galileo that nasa

595
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decided to

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release as part of its technology

597
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demonstration mission program the sun

598
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:37,919
jammer mission

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00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,240
solar sails aren't this won't be the

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first sail mission ever flown

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the

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japanese ikaros

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00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,400
spacecraft is still flying this will be

604
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the largest mission ever flown 1300

605
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meters squared

606
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it's designed to answer all questions

607
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:56,640
about

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00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,600
sales as flight hardware that's worthy

609
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:01,200
of your consideration for future

610
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:02,240
missions

611
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,280
so sun jammer has

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the as i mentioned it's a nasa-funded

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00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,559
solar sail mission it's focused on

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technology demonstration

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and within the

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procurement

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00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,400
uh the rfp and the award there were

618
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,799
infusion requirements we'll talk mostly

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about those

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00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,840
2014 maybe early 2015

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launch were co-manifested on the

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discover launch

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and we will fly the sale

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to l1 where we'll calibrate some space

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00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:37,440
weather sensors that have been provided

626
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:40,400
by the uk space agency and then move on

627
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:43,279
out to a sub l1 position about twice as

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far from earth to demonstrate the value

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of sales

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one value of which is doubling the

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warning time for solar storms

632
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we also have a global participation

633
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:58,000
component which we head up

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so

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the team is of course nasa providing the

636
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funding and the technical oversight the

637
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,080
contractors legard and tustin california

638
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:10,880
they've built and flown 150 inflatable

639
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:13,440
and deployable missions in space so

640
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:15,679
they're not newcomers microair space

641
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,480
solutions of melbourne my company and

642
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:20,559
then of course noah as one of the

643
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:22,240
infusion partners

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so the opportunity here is

645
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,880
uh that we are one of the first

646
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,240
ever

647
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,960
commercial rights holders to a nasa

648
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:35,760
mission how do we get it we asked for it

649
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:38,000
in the rfp

650
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:40,720
the infusion requirement envisioned

651
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:43,840
participation by commercial partners

652
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,840
we provided an offer that includes

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00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:47,760
direct cash payments to the mission to

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00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,880
fly some of our payload and an extensive

655
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,159
epo

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00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:53,840
outreach effort centered around the

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website and in exchange for that we now

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00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,279
have the rights to monetize web traffic

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and to provide sponsorship opportunities

660
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:03,039
throughout the mission

661
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:04,640
a little bit about us

662
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:07,120
we go back about

663
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:08,799
30 years plus

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00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:09,679
a

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uh

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00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:48,720
accomplishments to date

667
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,400
include the deployment of the sale

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00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:57,510
size of the sail on the ground and for

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00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,360
those of you that know sailcraft you'll

670
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:01,440
know that it's harder to do it

671
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:04,960
in 1g than it is in zero g

672
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,000
we have worked with noaa over the course

673
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,039
of five competitively awarded contracts

674
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:12,640
to help them define

675
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,440
a sale-based approach to a data buy for

676
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:17,440
commercial space weather

677
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:19,360
and back in the early days when we're

678
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,400
first working on solar sails we entered

679
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:24,400
into a space act agreement with nasa

680
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:26,559
langley at their request

681
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,520
to share some ideas about uh deployable

682
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,480
booms

683
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,400
so here's the core of what i'd like to

684
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:34,320
speak about today it's our business

685
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,360
model and it does include

686
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:39,120
sort of three components

687
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,039
the first is that you and and this is

688
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:43,279
why i think it's applicable not just to

689
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,520
sales but to any

690
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,000
technology asteroid retrieval has all of

691
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,240
these components so the first thing you

692
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,880
have to have is a real and a compelling

693
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:55,200
space mission we have a motto at our

694
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:58,320
company no cartoons only flight

695
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,039
the mesh the mission can be compelling

696
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:03,760
on the basis of where it's going

697
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:06,640
who's on board or what it's doing any of

698
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:09,039
those components can make a compelling

699
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,720
space mission but remember it has to be

700
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:11,840
real

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00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:14,080
the second component is

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00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,440
make the world aware of what you're

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00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:17,039
doing

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00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:18,880
you do that through earned media of

705
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:22,399
course our most recent celestis flight

706
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,320
where we launched scotty and gordo

707
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:26,960
cooper and 300 other folks attracted

708
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:29,679
more than a billion media impressions

709
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:32,559
and our website and our webcast was an

710
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:35,840
equal number of unique impressions so

711
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,640
getting earned media is easy for

712
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,960
compelling space missions if you know

713
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,120
how to do it it's more difficult if it's

714
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:44,880
a boring space mission i'll give you

715
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,399
that but it it is a key component of

716
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:50,880
global awareness the second is through

717
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:53,840
advertising we are a groupon evergreen

718
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,320
partner we do pay per click on google we

719
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,520
have a broad scope of methods by which

720
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,039
we let the world know that we're

721
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,279
involved in a compelling space mission

722
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,600
the final component of the

723
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:07,360
business model which again i think is

724
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:10,240
relevant for missions going forward

725
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:11,520
is pretty simple

726
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,320
take money wherever it exists so we have

727
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,320
traditional revenues we have us

728
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:18,320
government customers we have commercial

729
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:21,760
customers that buy data or buy hardware

730
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,320
or buy demonstrations but we also have

731
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,880
what i call non-traditional revenues we

732
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:28,880
monetize internet you get unique

733
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:32,159
visitors i was asked to give a testimony

734
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,840
to the senate space committee a few

735
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:36,480
years back i told senator brownback that

736
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,679
if nasa had a shopping cart on its mars

737
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,799
landing

738
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:42,720
web pages they probably could have

739
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:45,200
financed to subsequent missions i'm glad

740
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,640
that they don't because that's my

741
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:48,799
business but taking

742
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,679
interested space interested web traffic

743
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,200
and learning how to monetize it's

744
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,520
something we've been doing for 15 years

745
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,080
sponsorship we've done missions for 20th

746
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:00,799
century fox nescafe barrels writings

747
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:03,679
instruments in england and a number of

748
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:06,960
other uh key sponsors and then finally

749
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:08,799
memorial space flight certainly a

750
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:12,880
non-traditional revenue stream so uh in

751
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,960
the form of solar cell

752
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:17,039
commercial infusion the first

753
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,880
application i've already mentioned this

754
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,360
is the outcome of a study we did for

755
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,840
noaa that shows how a data purchase

756
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,039
approach

757
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:27,840
to sale delivered space weather

758
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:30,720
information is a lower cost be more

759
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:34,000
comprehensive and c provides at least

760
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,600
double the warning time and if you're a

761
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,760
nuclear power plant trying to shut down

762
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,360
during a solar storm because you're

763
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:41,520
worried about the grid overheating

764
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:44,399
that extra 45 minutes matters if you're

765
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:45,600
piloting an

766
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,080
airplane over the poles and you need to

767
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,240
come down to a lower

768
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:52,799
altitude or even land having that extra

769
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:55,279
time matters if you're in this space

770
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,640
station and you need to get to the

771
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,480
russian side of it because it's more

772
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:00,240
heavily

773
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:03,919
shielded that extra time matters

774
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,799
so i'll skip communications i'll talk

775
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:08,960
about entertainment missions

776
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,000
uh certainly anybody that's ever seen

777
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:14,559
in america's cup race understands the

778
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,200
concept of logos on the sale we've

779
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,960
already tested the paint we know how to

780
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,960
do it we know how to cover

781
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:23,360
x percent of sales and not reduce the

782
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:26,320
propulsive reflectivity uh it's just a

783
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,120
matter of time once sales get going that

784
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,120
you'll see the race around the moon that

785
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:34,080
actually is what sun jammer is named for

786
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,760
back in june we announced that sir

787
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,840
arthur clark's dna will be part of our

788
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:39,440
cosmic archive

789
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:42,720
on the sun jammer mission and uh clark

790
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,679
wrote sunjammer as a story about a race

791
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:48,000
around the moon

792
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:48,840
so

793
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,840
uh space weather i'll stick

794
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,520
let's say one thing about space weather

795
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,200
this is uh

796
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,000
a chart provided by the new

797
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:00,799
uh director of of noaa dr katherine

798
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:03,279
sullivan assistant secretary of commerce

799
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:04,640
last year

800
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,919
everybody in commercial space

801
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,159
is seeking the hockey stick

802
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,399
many people are promising the hockey

803
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:15,360
stick in terms of just get started and

804
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,080
you'll see dramatic growth in the use

805
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:20,480
here's the hockey stick the consumer

806
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:21,519
growth

807
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,600
in the space weather prediction center's

808
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:25,440
subscription service

809
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:27,679
as we become a more wired planet and

810
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:30,880
dependent upon space weather information

811
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:39,029
game changer i've described that

812
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,000
and

813
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:42,399
so what are we doing with sun jammer we

814
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,279
call it explore educate and entertain

815
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,440
the exploration component is the proof

816
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,200
of the technology we're going to take it

817
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,360
fly it into deep space

818
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,880
educate we have

819
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,440
kids school students

820
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,320
from tustin california to zambia

821
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,399
participating in the mission and

822
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:02,480
remember we're

823
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:05,840
14 to 18 months out from the flight

824
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,399
you only heard about curiosity you all

825
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,039
heard about curiosity well in advance

826
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:13,440
the world learned about curiosity seven

827
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:15,519
days in advance so we're in the process

828
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:18,159
of building that crescendo i guarantee

829
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:19,760
you when there are

830
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,679
six hd cameras and one gopro fly away

831
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:26,080
camera taking images of that fully

832
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,600
deployed sale out in deepest space there

833
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,519
isn't a sports bar on the planet that's

834
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:33,760
not going to have that on cnn and people

835
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,600
are going to see that

836
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,679
finally and that slips over into the

837
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,440
entertainment component

838
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,760
we have the music of sun jammer we have

839
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:43,600
launch events we have any number of

840
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:46,159
things uh planned and we're beginning to

841
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:47,760
implement them

842
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,559
uh

843
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:50,880
celeste is we're flying payload

844
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:53,440
so i'll finish up here with what my

845
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:54,480
thoughts

846
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,880
about what is relevant for today's topic

847
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,159
the first is that innovative

848
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,399
partnerships can succeed there's some

849
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:04,240
hiccups along the way

850
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,360
i thought for certain when we

851
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:09,440
when when we

852
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,840
were announced the winner that i was

853
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:13,519
going to have a huge

854
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,480
i'll say it battle at nasa dragging a

855
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:19,200
space act agreement out of them to allow

856
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,799
me to do the things i'd want in the

857
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:22,720
procurement

858
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,279
not a bit uh cots and uh new ways of

859
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,279
doing things took hold

860
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,159
we have uh an agreement

861
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,880
we have the rights those rights include

862
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:36,799
don't mess with our mission which we

863
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:39,840
understand uh all of our activities

864
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:42,799
occur post the accomplishment of the

865
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:45,360
nasa mission but there was a lot of give

866
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:48,320
and take in terms of what is the proper

867
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:51,279
format to do that but we can succeed the

868
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,960
science and technical goals of the

869
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:54,799
mission came first

870
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:58,720
the infusion between noaa and us

871
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:01,679
accomplished also and we've figured out

872
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:02,799
a bunch of new

873
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,360
missions and things that we can use

874
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,200
solar sails for i mentioned space

875
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,119
weather obviously anybody that's been to

876
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:11,599
an asteroid conference knows that sales

877
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,079
have a role there but again i will say

878
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:16,480
that it is not the the model is not

879
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:19,839
unique to solar sails

880
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,159
cell missions already in planning public

881
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,240
engagement technologies and methods

882
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,720
evolving is as almost as fast as the

883
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,040
mission technologies we're trying to

884
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:31,760
keep up with developing apps with

885
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,480
developing new forms of interaction for

886
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:36,399
our public the more folks the more

887
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,359
eyeballs we show on this mission the

888
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,599
more dollars flow to us and the more

889
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,000
dollars that flow to the mission

890
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:47,040
so that's me i'm here in houston and

891
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,240
happy to be a part of today's

892
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:52,480
program thanks

893
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:58,390
fantastic all right

894
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:01,599
so we've got now 15 minutes of

895
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,040
questions

896
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:05,200
i want to throw it out first do we have

897
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,040
anything that's come online joe

898
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:11,040
okay

899
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:13,599
we've got our speakers in the room

900
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,640
any questions uh

901
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:18,720
ideas peaked

902
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:21,760
from our audience members

903
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,190
okay

904
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:29,440
we do have oh please so i have a

905
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,560
question about solar sails and and uh

906
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:34,160
gravity or uh

907
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,760
planetary defense

908
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,440
where you go

909
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:39,359
oh

910
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:40,880
so um

911
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:42,880
presumably you can use a solar sail like

912
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:51,589
yes

913
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,480
it's a in-space propulsion system that

914
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:58,960
has a variety of applications the

915
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:01,839
sunlight is the photonic pressure is

916
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,720
constant so we have to end up jiving and

917
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,800
tacking just like you

918
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,880
use a sailboat but

919
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,480
that's what we'll be demonstrating is

920
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,440
that maneuverability uh and it can be

921
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,839
attached to you know that depends on the

922
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:17,599
size of the sail the thickness of the

923
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:19,760
material that you use but certainly

924
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,109
actually i have a question on that on

925
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,440
the solar sail too uh

926
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:33,680
i'm not sure when the launch is of the

927
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:36,560
sun jammer but have you already um

928
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:38,240
started with your

929
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,960
public outreach have you gotten a

930
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:42,880
following already have you started to

931
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:45,200
see people hitting the site and things

932
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,550
love that question sunjammermission.com

933
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,030
yes we have a large number of people

934
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,440
that are already on the mailing list we

935
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,680
also facebook and tweet on a regular

936
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:04,079
basis about the mission we've done a

937
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:07,440
number of media rollouts we did a press

938
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,760
conference in june where we announced

939
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:11,520
sir arthur we got another one coming up

940
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,240
in december we'll announce the first

941
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,400
major consumer products marketing

942
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,079
partner that we have i can't do that

943
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:20,640
today but but we have that as well and

944
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,760
so we have a series of planned events

945
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:25,280
and announcements

946
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:26,800
some of which i think are pretty cool

947
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,480
coming uh to the point uh of the launch

948
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:32,800
to answer your question the launch is

949
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,119
currently on the manifest for q4 of 2014

950
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:41,280
my guess is having been doing this stuff

951
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:43,119
for 30 years it'll move to the right a

952
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:44,000
little bit

953
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:44,880
but

954
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:47,359
we are a secondary i have a t-shirt that

955
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,480
says being a secondary sucks but

956
00:37:53,710 --> 00:37:52,720
in this case we're a happy secondary and

957
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:53,720
so we'll be

958
00:38:04,390 --> 00:37:56,720
manifested with the discover spacecraft

959
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,310
you had a photograph of a band and you

960
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:08,560
mentioned the music of sun jammer what

961
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:16,710
there's sort of two components to that

962
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,760
one is uh on our website in q1 next year

963
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,040
we're going to open it up for

964
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:24,960
everybody's playlists

965
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:27,200
mine includes come sail away here comes

966
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:29,200
the sun all that kind of stuff old guy

967
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:30,160
music

968
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:35,920
also have are lining up a series of uh

969
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,320
celebrities who are doing songs for the

970
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,720
mission they'll be part of what we call

971
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:42,640
the cosmic archive sort of like the

972
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:45,599
voyager mission only in this instance

973
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,880
some of the performers will be

974
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,960
performing the music for the first time

975
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,720
in some of their concerts

976
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,880
i wish i could tell you more i'm dying

977
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,320
to tell you more because it will

978
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,560
increase the traffic on our website but

979
00:38:59,829 --> 00:38:58,640
we do plan both

980
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:59,839
broad

981
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,160
participation where anybody will have

982
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,240
people submit songs that will put on the

983
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,040
cosmic archive as well so

984
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:09,599
broad-based public participation as well

985
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:17,829
i guess this question is for jason or

986
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:20,800
jen uh we heard some different kinds of

987
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:23,760
partnership ideas different ways of

988
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:26,240
engaging with nasa from the program

989
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:27,680
perspective

990
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:30,400
what are you guys more amenable to

991
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,720
for just grand challenge type activities

992
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:35,359
or ones that cross the other side into

993
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,640
the mission how do you guys see

994
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,160
structuring that

995
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:40,960
so um

996
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,359
i represent uh the grand challenge and

997
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:45,040
so i'm listening

998
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,800
with my ears

999
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,480
for that number one

1000
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,240
uh but number two

1001
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:52,880
uh as the lead for this session i'm

1002
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:53,839
listening

1003
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,880
for all the ideas that can then be put

1004
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:57,920
into

1005
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,960
the findings for the mission as well so

1006
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,320
while i do

1007
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,400
wear the grand challenge hat and jen

1008
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:07,119
helps me with that hat

1009
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,079
this is about the asteroid initiative

1010
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,079
right now and so it's pulling out all

1011
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,640
the best ideas that can be laid on the

1012
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:16,880
table and factored into

1013
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,790
can these solar sails be configured in

1014
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:28,720
an array so that you can use the solar

1015
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:31,359
pressure and the arkovsky effect to your

1016
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:32,800
advantage when trying to move an

1017
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:39,109
i went to the foreign service school at

1018
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:41,680
georgetown i'd have to ask the engineers

1019
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:49,030
i'll i'll jump in we've got a question

1020
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:50,319
from

1021
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:54,319
mike helton at h-a-d-a-y-a-n-o

1022
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:55,599
on twitter

1023
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,400
uh his question is has there been or is

1024
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,880
there a consideration to involve a group

1025
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,440
of philanthropists to partner with nasa

1026
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:05,440
to supply funds

1027
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:07,760
and i'll throw that out there to to our

1028
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:10,160
speakers uh since you've been out uh

1029
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,119
engaging in partnership has uh

1030
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,200
has discussion with philanthrop

1031
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:17,280
philanthropists uh

1032
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:20,640
crossed your mind or actually been

1033
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:29,750
yes yeah from our perspective we

1034
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:32,400
generally approach them as uh invest

1035
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:35,359
investors not for philanthropists

1036
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,359
but a huge part of what we do is through

1037
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:41,680
501 c 3s

1038
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:43,440
we're partnered with the conrad

1039
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:46,240
foundation we're working with other c3s

1040
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:50,240
around the world and so would be easy to

1041
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,839
try to vector interested people

1042
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:55,920
who are looking for that tax

1043
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,160
deductibility and

1044
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,400
into the education programs i should

1045
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,560
also mention if i may that we've been

1046
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,640
working very closely with our partners

1047
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:06,560
at the marshall space flight center in

1048
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,520
epo they've been unbelievably supportive

1049
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:11,520
they've asked us to do some events that

1050
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,760
they couldn't didn't have the budget for

1051
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,760
we had the budget to do it so that in

1052
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,599
that way we're also trying to benefit

1053
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:20,000
the mission do it making

1054
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:21,680
education and public outreach

1055
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,870
i haven't

1056
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,400
personally talked

1057
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,800
um with with such people but i know that

1058
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,119
there are there are conversations like

1059
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,359
that going on um

1060
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,440
nasa has great potential to do

1061
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,680
philanthropic things

1062
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:45,680
one example would be you know helping

1063
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,079
solve world hunger for example by using

1064
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,319
space assets to measure soil

1065
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,240
nitrogen composition and things like

1066
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,480
that and i have certainly heard of

1067
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,880
philanthropic organizations

1068
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:58,880
meeting with nasa discussing with nasa

1069
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,440
ways that we could partner to

1070
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:02,880
do things that those kind of

1071
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,630
this is actually still a response but

1072
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,000
i've talked to a number of people who

1073
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:16,960
seem to have an interest in um promoting

1074
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:19,359
the idea of education i mean in this

1075
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:21,200
country in particular i think there's a

1076
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:23,920
a role for philanthropy in providing

1077
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:26,319
educational tools for schools to embrace

1078
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:40,950
yeah so one from online um the question

1079
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:43,280
is about engaging uh universities as

1080
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,520
well as uh foreign countries or foreign

1081
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,119
space uh

1082
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,960
entities who are interested in in

1083
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,960
participating in that kind of thing

1084
00:44:03,109 --> 00:43:52,720
um it's kind of generic i'll just open

1085
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,670
i alluded to the fact that we're having

1086
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:07,839
we have two space weather instruments

1087
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,400
magnetometers that's no bigger than this

1088
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:13,119
it's an amazing machine and a solar wind

1089
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,160
analyzer both provided by university

1090
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:18,960
college and i believe it's kings college

1091
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:23,119
in london through the uk space agency so

1092
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:26,400
sun jammer is also involving

1093
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,520
foreign

1094
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,839
non-u.s space agencies

1095
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:31,280
on

1096
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,920
shaffer specifically um

1097
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,680
i don't quite understand the the full

1098
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:45,760
revenue model for your your company but

1099
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:46,720
can you talk a little bit about

1100
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:48,319
proportionately how much of it comes

1101
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:49,119
from

1102
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,520
government sources versus private and on

1103
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,000
the private side do you see that that

1104
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:56,160
source of revenue extensible to the

1105
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,680
orders of magnitude more expensive

1106
00:45:04,630 --> 00:44:59,520
missions where we're talking about human

1107
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,870
um taking the second part first there

1108
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:08,720
are companies out there that are are

1109
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:11,280
talking about using the same model that

1110
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,240
we're implementing for human missions

1111
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,640
uh i i have to say that the jury's out

1112
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:18,960
on that just because we're in the very

1113
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,599
early parts of doing of doing these

1114
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:24,000
types of missions there's no question

1115
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,760
that if you look at the olympics or you

1116
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:28,000
look at the world cup or you look at any

1117
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,040
sort of

1118
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:32,480
of high visibility activity the the

1119
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,720
dollars available to monetize the

1120
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,040
eyeballs that are on those events

1121
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:39,440
are quite high and at the level that

1122
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,040
that permit that

1123
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,160
our money is mostly private uh the the

1124
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,400
good news is that the mission is paid

1125
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:48,960
for by in this for sun jammer the

1126
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,160
mission is paid for by the government uh

1127
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:54,880
we are flowing additional dollars and

1128
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,599
activities into it but we're not getting

1129
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,160
any government dollars out of sun jammer

1130
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:02,720
it's all risk capital uh

1131
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:05,680
involved at this point

1132
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:09,359
i think that going forward uh the model

1133
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:12,640
can really apply across any space

1134
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:15,440
mission as long as you deliver

1135
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:17,599
what people are looking for which is a

1136
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:19,280
compelling

1137
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:22,720
experience that's handled professionally

1138
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,560
and provides

1139
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,240
a reason for people to stay on your

1140
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:29,119
website and click through to website

1141
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,400
uh users some of our follow-on missions

1142
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,240
the the space weather mission for

1143
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,880
example with noaa envisions that being a

1144
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:38,800
data buy very much like the imagery

1145
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:41,200
business went from landsat only to

1146
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:44,640
government data buys for imagery and so

1147
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,359
we believe that we can make a case for

1148
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,520
lowering the cost to the government of

1149
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,160
providing that service by using the

1150
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,640
platform to serve multiple

1151
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,400
revenue streams as opposed to be

1152
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:59,040
dedicated only to the government

1153
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,480
mission so i

1154
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:02,800
i believe the model kind of can extend

1155
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,280
in all those ways having said that you

1156
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,200
got to get out there and actually do it

1157
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:09,839
and then then we can have the discussion

1158
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,319
so we're looking forward to a really

1159
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:14,319
busy year followed by some some

1160
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:15,839
additional

1161
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,870
hey this uh questions for uh beau um

1162
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,960
so when in your talk you talked about

1163
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,880
you know convincing commercial partners

1164
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,640
to come on and you know invest in what

1165
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,440
you're doing um so traditionally nasa's

1166
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,040
the funder for

1167
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,040
activities and

1168
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,280
providing the spacecraft so

1169
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,920
what have you found that you have to do

1170
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,839
differently or think differently as nasa

1171
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:49,040
to convince

1172
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:50,800
you know let's say the larger holders of

1173
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:53,200
the technology to invest their own money

1174
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:54,079
to

1175
00:48:11,030 --> 00:47:58,880
and move forward with you know projects

1176
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,630
yeah what does nasa have to do

1177
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,400
differently to be a good partner i think

1178
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:16,480
is part of the question

1179
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:17,280
um

1180
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:19,839
i think there's two main things that

1181
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,319
come to mind the first is

1182
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,880
nasa has to accept that

1183
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:26,160
private industry knows what they're

1184
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:27,680
doing that they know how to build

1185
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,480
spacecraft and that we don't need to

1186
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:32,319
have a lot of oversight

1187
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:34,000
into what they're doing we can trust

1188
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,680
that if they have skin in the game

1189
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:37,680
they're going to do the job right

1190
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:39,280
and that we don't need to make something

1191
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,400
that would cost private industry

1192
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,800
100 million cost the government 300

1193
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:46,480
million just because we make them do

1194
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:47,839
more paper

1195
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,760
so i think that's one of the things

1196
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,839
we need to we need to back off and let

1197
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,319
let industry do what it's good at

1198
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:56,880
um i think the the second thing is much

1199
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,280
more challenging and and especially in

1200
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:01,119
today's climate

1201
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,640
it's hard for the government to be a

1202
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:03,760
good

1203
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,800
partner

1204
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:07,040
when we don't have stable year-to-year

1205
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,880
programmatic funding

1206
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,119
and so

1207
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:13,440
for something like space station

1208
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:15,040
and cots

1209
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:16,559
the government can be a good partner

1210
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,800
because we're committed

1211
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,880
so certainly we need to be committed and

1212
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,720
we need to um

1213
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:24,160
we need to not

1214
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:26,000
be subject to the whims of change in

1215
00:49:28,829 --> 00:49:27,280
washington

1216
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:28,839
and that's much more

1217
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:39,349
how much effort do you have to put into

1218
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:43,510
so the other question is how much effort

1219
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,960
do you need to put into understanding

1220
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,480
the business case i think that's a great

1221
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:48,480
example a great question i think we

1222
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:51,440
really really have to understand it well

1223
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:53,359
because we're making decisions now that

1224
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,559
are going to impact that business case

1225
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:58,720
and in order to bring partners on i

1226
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,000
think they need to know that we

1227
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,119
understand their business case so in the

1228
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:05,200
mining exam asteroid mining example

1229
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:06,720
right we need to make sure that we

1230
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,200
understand the phases of their um

1231
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:11,680
program and that we're doing things now

1232
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,559
that

1233
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:14,400
move them forward in those phases and

1234
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:15,359
not

1235
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:16,160
um

1236
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:16,960
uh

1237
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:19,040
just giving them setbacks and and those

1238
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,160
kind of things

1239
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,800
so um a very vague answer i know but i

1240
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:24,319
think i think it's very important that

1241
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:25,680
we understand

1242
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:34,549
yeah i have another one for charles the

1243
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,319
question is

1244
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,160
school participation

1245
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,559
what levels is it

1246
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:42,240
high school community college

1247
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:51,670
all of the above

1248
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:54,079
if you go to sunjammermission.com you'll

1249
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:56,079
see

1250
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:58,960
about a little video of about

1251
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,599
i think 30 zambian kids who are in

1252
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,599
elementary school all going we are going

1253
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:05,200
to space

1254
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,400
we had

1255
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:08,880
high school and middle schoolers into

1256
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:12,480
the legard facility to see the sale

1257
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:14,720
under construction and they actually

1258
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:17,040
witnessed the deployment test as part of

1259
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:18,079
their

1260
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:19,760
advanced science

1261
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,440
activities uh i universities will be

1262
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,160
announcing a couple of partnerships uh

1263
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:28,160
both in

1264
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,079
technology and in um non-technology

1265
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:33,839
components of the mission down the road

1266
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:37,040
so i think you know we we're we're about

1267
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:38,800
trying to

1268
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:41,839
evangelize the mission wherever we can

1269
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,240
and certainly a key component of it is

1270
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:45,839
the education

1271
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,680
side of things that we're doing so we've

1272
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:49,760
got a full-time director of education

1273
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,559
that

1274
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:53,040
was a high school teacher in houston and

1275
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,599
went on to run an urban debate league in

1276
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:58,079
minnesota and is now

1277
00:52:02,390 --> 00:51:59,920
full-time working

1278
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,400
doing our blog we have a university

1279
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:04,880
student at ohio state university that

1280
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:07,680
runs a really cool facebook called space

1281
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:10,640
weather trackers and he writes blogs for

1282
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,760
us about space weather that are targeted

1283
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:14,960
at

1284
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:20,950
okay folks

1285
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:23,839
that uh will conclude our questions for

1286
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:26,240
now we'll we'll have a 10 minute break i

1287
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:27,680
just want to remind everybody that we're

1288
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:29,599
going to have discussion period at the

1289
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,640
end

1290
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:32,880
of all the speakers so if you have

1291
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:33,839
thoughts

1292
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:35,359
other things get triggered during the

1293
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:36,400
break that there's going to be an

1294
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:37,599
opportunity to continue this

1295
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:40,880
conversation so thanks to our presenters

1296
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:42,960
uh we'll have 10 minute break and then

1297
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:44,720
start up again